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	<title>Comments on: Calculating Your Value on Twitter</title>
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	<description>Jumping around in the Phoenix Tech Community</description>
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		<title>By: Yann Ropars</title>
		<link>http://brianshaler.com/blog/2008/03/27/calculating-your-value-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-10001</link>
		<dc:creator>Yann Ropars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 04:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>try http://twitter.grader.com .... very cool

as a matter of fact, hubspots also has http://website.grader.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>try <a href="http://twitter.grader.com" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.grader.com</a> &#8230;. very cool</p>
<p>as a matter of fact, hubspots also has <a href="http://website.grader.com" rel="nofollow">http://website.grader.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://brianshaler.com/blog/2008/03/27/calculating-your-value-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-2751</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good luck on rick rolling the mets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good luck on rick rolling the mets.</p>
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		<title>By: Norman Oliver</title>
		<link>http://brianshaler.com/blog/2008/03/27/calculating-your-value-on-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-2593</link>
		<dc:creator>Norman Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 20:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent points. I totally agree that it should be the quality of one&#039;s connections that determine the value of your network. Building such a high-quality network probably takes more time than just simply amassing numbers; however, it&#039;s worth the effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points. I totally agree that it should be the quality of one&#8217;s connections that determine the value of your network. Building such a high-quality network probably takes more time than just simply amassing numbers; however, it&#8217;s worth the effort.</p>
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		<title>By: ishmael</title>
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		<dc:creator>ishmael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, if there is any point in measuring one&#039;s value on Twitter, I think you have to note the actual purpose for which twitter was made. Like Annalee Newitz wrote it on AlterNet: &quot;When you work at home and don&#039;t have office pals to say hello to in the morning, Twitter is your surrogate office chit-chat zone. [...] Though I&#039;m home on my computer, Twitter keeps me in touch with the social world.&quot;

So Twitter&#039;s purpose was never ment to be discussing or haveing global conversations. It was ment to be your &quot;chit-chat zone&quot;, it was ment to give chance to stay in contact with your mates. But not in an active communicating, not in a discussing way but in a passive, superficial way.

Hence, _if_ there is a certain &quot;value&quot; of users on Twitter, it&#039;s not their interacting, discussion-provoking and magniloquent style of beeing, but their relaxed way how they make their mates listen to them on this social network.
I agree, &quot;when Twitter is treated like a distribution mechanism for a user to push messages to fans, the user loses value&quot;, like in your real social world, some people talk to loads of people but don&#039;t say anything interesting, some to little but great things. And here we are.

The value of a Twitter user is at the end the value of what he posts. So like there are different interests, there are different expectations and so different values for one and the same person. You _can_ messure the value of a Twitter user, but you can messure it only for yourself, with no claim to be valid for otherones too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, if there is any point in measuring one&#8217;s value on Twitter, I think you have to note the actual purpose for which twitter was made. Like Annalee Newitz wrote it on AlterNet: &#8220;When you work at home and don&#8217;t have office pals to say hello to in the morning, Twitter is your surrogate office chit-chat zone. [...] Though I&#8217;m home on my computer, Twitter keeps me in touch with the social world.&#8221;</p>
<p>So Twitter&#8217;s purpose was never ment to be discussing or haveing global conversations. It was ment to be your &#8220;chit-chat zone&#8221;, it was ment to give chance to stay in contact with your mates. But not in an active communicating, not in a discussing way but in a passive, superficial way.</p>
<p>Hence, _if_ there is a certain &#8220;value&#8221; of users on Twitter, it&#8217;s not their interacting, discussion-provoking and magniloquent style of beeing, but their relaxed way how they make their mates listen to them on this social network.<br />
I agree, &#8220;when Twitter is treated like a distribution mechanism for a user to push messages to fans, the user loses value&#8221;, like in your real social world, some people talk to loads of people but don&#8217;t say anything interesting, some to little but great things. And here we are.</p>
<p>The value of a Twitter user is at the end the value of what he posts. So like there are different interests, there are different expectations and so different values for one and the same person. You _can_ messure the value of a Twitter user, but you can messure it only for yourself, with no claim to be valid for otherones too.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Kilfoil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Kilfoil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if you could take inspiration from the way that Google does PageRank.. Roughly: &quot;The value of a page is a combination of the value of its incoming links and outgoing links. Value is distributed through links, so the value of the page on the other end of a link weights the value of the link.&quot;

Thus, the social value of a person on Twitter (or any social network, really) is a measure of how many important people follow you, as well as the importance of the people you follow.

You might also be able to look at this as a graph-distance problem: what is the coverage of the total number of users from the account to be measured, and the average/mean/median/weighted average distance from the account to the most distant.

The latter could be called the &quot;Kevin Bacon number&quot; of Twitter.

Of course, the real measure is simply impact. From what I understand, Ze Frank is the person behind the tribalization of the Twitter groups. I&#039;m not following him, nor is he following me, but the impact is clearly felt. Very similarly, Scott Sigler&#039;s upcoming launch of his novel &quot;Infected&quot; has made a very significant impact -- at least in my corner of the twitterati.

Ah, and thus is exposed another question: is Twitter really a &quot;grouping of groups&quot; (or &quot;collection of niches&quot;) or is there more structure to it? Does Milgram&#039;s experiment have some similarity in the twitterati?

Heh.. reminds me of some research I was working on a couple of years ago..  I should re-run some of my analysis on twitter, perhaps..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you could take inspiration from the way that Google does PageRank.. Roughly: &#8220;The value of a page is a combination of the value of its incoming links and outgoing links. Value is distributed through links, so the value of the page on the other end of a link weights the value of the link.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thus, the social value of a person on Twitter (or any social network, really) is a measure of how many important people follow you, as well as the importance of the people you follow.</p>
<p>You might also be able to look at this as a graph-distance problem: what is the coverage of the total number of users from the account to be measured, and the average/mean/median/weighted average distance from the account to the most distant.</p>
<p>The latter could be called the &#8220;Kevin Bacon number&#8221; of Twitter.</p>
<p>Of course, the real measure is simply impact. From what I understand, Ze Frank is the person behind the tribalization of the Twitter groups. I&#8217;m not following him, nor is he following me, but the impact is clearly felt. Very similarly, Scott Sigler&#8217;s upcoming launch of his novel &#8220;Infected&#8221; has made a very significant impact &#8212; at least in my corner of the twitterati.</p>
<p>Ah, and thus is exposed another question: is Twitter really a &#8220;grouping of groups&#8221; (or &#8220;collection of niches&#8221;) or is there more structure to it? Does Milgram&#8217;s experiment have some similarity in the twitterati?</p>
<p>Heh.. reminds me of some research I was working on a couple of years ago..  I should re-run some of my analysis on twitter, perhaps..</p>
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		<title>By: Bradjward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradjward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would say the most annoying tweets are those to the effect of &#039;x followers now&#039; or &#039;1000th tweet!&#039;.  As if no one has ever reached it before?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say the most annoying tweets are those to the effect of &#8216;x followers now&#8217; or &#8216;1000th tweet!&#8217;.  As if no one has ever reached it before?</p>
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		<title>By: Ehren Cheung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ehren Cheung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.  I definitely agree with you that it isn&#039;t as simple as the number value of follower and those you are following.  I tend to be picky about who I am following because the people whom I am following act as filters to some degree.  They decide what is and isn&#039;t important to tweet about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.  I definitely agree with you that it isn&#8217;t as simple as the number value of follower and those you are following.  I tend to be picky about who I am following because the people whom I am following act as filters to some degree.  They decide what is and isn&#8217;t important to tweet about.</p>
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